Ok well I think we have gotten way of topic here so shutting this one down.
10 minutes ago, FASVB said:It wasn't. Plain and simple
Sigh,
Comparing self inflicted oppression(as the dominate culture is prone to do) to historical/factual events of marginalized people is never smart.
Sadly privileged people keep doing it. Then actshocked at the outrage of it.
And sideways people will always crawl out of the woodwork to defend it.
SMH dobetter dude. Plain and simple
This isn't a hill you want to die on.
11 minutes ago, DrLava said:i didnt gloss over anything, i didnt want to point out that didnt understand your copy/paste from google, but since you insist. diaspora refers to people who claim a homeland but live outside of it. with regards to jewish people that homeland is israel. that makes them israeli people that practice judaism.
And let's not forget 11 tribes STOPPED being Hebrews and allowed themselves to be absorbed in the population. They gave up their faith in Yahweh. After 70 AD the tribe of Judah watched as Rome sacked Israel. So their identity was formed around a culture...not a country. And plus there are people from the tribe of Judah who are Christian.
18 hours ago, DrLava said:i mean its really not that absurd or surprising. she made an anti-semitic comment, the guy that created the show is jewish, easiest way to get fired
It wasn't. Plain and simple
11 minutes ago, Satam said:You've been conflating religion, ethnicity, and nationality. You don't get why I'm saying at all. And you conveniently glossed over what I said about a "genetically identifiable ethnicity due to diaspora and isolation." There are studies. Lots of them. Some of them are kind of disturbing, but that part in quotes there is a scientifically provable fact. There are categories for Jewish ethnicities on 23 and Me, Ancestry D&A, etc. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the fact remains that there is a Jewish religion and there is a Jewish ethnicity (technically more than one). I've known Jewish atheists, which seems like an oxymoron to you, but it's not.
There is confusion between the culture and faith.
One cannot be a Jewish atheist...what they are doing is drawing connection to share cultural practices.
They aren't any genetics to it because you can't tell one from the other AND the Bible makes it clear that Semites (Hebrews) and Hamites fluidly intermingled.
They are a group united by common cultural practices...but it isn't exclusive. And as Dr Lava stated...that isn't an option included on applications.
Like Gypsy
Or Muslim.
18 minutes ago, DrLava said:thats not my twitter handle, but ok.
That tags you here in the forum, btw. It's got nothing to do with twitter.
10 minutes ago, DrLava said:i didnt misread anything. i get what youre trying to say, people claim to be of jewish ethnicity.you can claim to be anything you want, doesnt make it reality.
when you fill out a job application it asks for your ethnicity, its multiple choice. jewish isnt one of the choices. it is illegal to ask someone if they are jewish because its a religion not an ethnicity.
You've been conflating religion, ethnicity, and nationality. You don't get why I'm saying at all. And you conveniently glossed over what I said about a "genetically identifiable ethnicity due to diaspora and isolation." There are studies. Lots of them. Some of them are kind of disturbing, but that part in quotes there is a scientifically provable fact. There are categories for Jewish ethnicities on 23 and Me, Ancestry D&A, etc. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the fact remains that there is a Jewish religion and there is a Jewish ethnicity (technically more than one). I've known Jewish atheists, which seems like an oxymoron to you, but it's not.
Seriously, @DrLava, I invite you to go back and reread what I've written and what you've written. I've done the same just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Because you sure did, buddy.
18 minutes ago, DrLava said:whose making up stuff now boy? after you edit your posts too lol. cant edit it when its already been quoted by another user, we got the original.
i posted:
"watch how you type boy"
what you are making up or you have a reading comprehension issue or a disability perhaps?:
"you better watch what you type boy"
clearly 2 very different sentences.
and no one said you were jewish or claiming to be jewish. what was written:
"when you tell someone to "read some books" while you embarass yourself by claimingyoucan be a native jewishcitizen"
what you apparently read:
"satam is jewish"
please read whats written and then reply to those words and only those words, dont reply to what you want others to say instead.
I would ask you to do exactly the same thing. Please read what's written and then reply to those words and only those words, because you've missed a lot of it and seriously just flat out made up other parts. And I've at least had the courtesy to recognize that I misread a thing that you posted and edited my response in kind.
43 minutes ago, Satam said:There's been a ton of discrimination against Jewish people, which resulted in the diaspora and isolation I talked about, as well as the Holocaust. Semantically, Jews can be both followers of Judaism or ethnic Jews. The waters are muddied somewhat, because, I believe aside from the Tutsis in Rwanda and a some other small groups whose names escape me right now, there aren't many ethnicities that are so closely tied to a religion. If it helps you to say "Jews" for the ethnicity and "Jewish" for the religion, go for it, but that's a gross oversimplification.
We also have to take into account the other 11 tribes that were carted off into bondage in the OT. Arguably there are more Hebrews than we know. The "Jews" we know of today come from the tribe of Judah (Jew is essentially the first three words of Judah).. but even that is sketchy as many modern day Jews look more European that Middle Eastern/ Black/darker skinned. But its still a culture/religion that anyone can join.
So yes the waters are muddy. Hebreware a more defined group. Jews are a much looser grouping that people consider a "race" but aren't. They justhold distinct cultural practices based on their faith. The closest counterparts would be Muslims (since they trace their origins from Ishmael while it's Isaac for Hebrews) but we don't look at Muslims as an ethnicity.
The difficult part is separating where their faith and their cultural practices begin and end
